Eclipsed from the headlines by the ongoing carnage, there is an active
civil resistance in Iraq that opposes the occupation, the torture regime
it protects, and the jihadi and Ba'athist 'resistance' alike.
Submitted by Milan (not verified) on Sun, 11/06/2005 - 00:15.
Excellent! We came on a referendum issue!! The famous referundum is the corner stone of the civil war in ex/Yugoslav Republic BiH!
I hope you are familiar with LEGAL ways of how to conduct a referendum...I believe you have general picture of it...Basically, referendum has to be organized and conducted by authorities of some land, region, country, or whatever, correct me if I'm wrong....But before "conducting referendum" there has to be some kind of decision of "organizing of referendum"...(that depends on situation,though, but ex-Yugoslavia, we can say, was organized in a legal manner-so were its republics...)
Now we are getting to the referendum issue...
Shortly..
To organize a referendum in Socialistic Republic BiH (SRBiH) there had to be the Republic Assembly decision on that!
In the SRBiH there were 3 so called Constitutional Peoples (Croats, Muslims and Serbs) and according to the SRBiH CONSTITUTION all "major" decisions had to be reached by CONSENSUS of three peoples!
That famous assembly session was held on 14th Oct 1991. It was long and tiring session full of political games and arguing-which is pretty normal considering the fact the situation we were going through!
Basically-the President of the Assembly closed session and scheduled the continuation for some other day...It was, if I remember well, after midnight..So, session was closed and according to the Constitution nobody can replace the President without his permission and nobody can continue the session without him (if he is alive and in good health)...But, basically, Muslim and Croat representatives after the session was closed grouped and "continued" the session (which was against the Constitution) and the wisepresident of the Assembly chaired (which was against the Constitution cause he didn't have a legal permission from the President) illegal session and basically, that group of people illegaly decided to organize illegal Referendum (which was against the Constitution, cause the decision was not reached by consensus of ALL THREE PEOPLES! )
So, that referendum you mentioning is nothing but an illegal act of group of people! (for instance YOU could have sat there and raise a hand in favor of referendum-and to push this region in to the devastating civil war!) It was nothing but a violation of the Constitution!! That's it!!
That act represents nothing but an act of ILLEGAL SECESSION which, eventually, turned into the VIOLENT SECESSION!!
And who ever went to that illegal secessionistic referendum violated the CONSTITUTION!!
That is what the law says about that!! Wishes are something else-I can understand some people were not happy in SFRY, but anyway-they HAD TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND CONSTITUTION! Am I right? You believe in laws? And you follow them, I'm positive....
That's the very short story about that referendum you think was the start!
But the corner stone of the war was this session!!
Huh, 8.000 again "exaggerated"?! But, I'm saying misinterpreted for more war..there is 8.000 dead people in Srebrenica-that's the fact!
I was not in that forensic group...Were you? Did they prove how ALL of them were murdered?? Did they? Where are your proves that half of poor people were not trying to fight their way out of surrounded area with weapons ?
Oh, gee..Sarajevo people should be angry with Serbs and it is justified to "cleans" them out?!
But, regarding the referendum story above you would agree that Serbs should be angry with people who STOLE and VIOLATED their constitutional right and decided on behalf of Serbs where Serbs should and were supposed to live and along the way they destroyed the country where Serbs lived in?! Not to mention UN guaranteed self-determination right ..(BTW, have you ever heard of referendum of Serbs in SRBiH in 1991.?!! )
THere was no need for Milosevic to use Serbia as a "base" for war in SRBiH-it's just another nonsense...
Kosovo....as you said Kosovo is in Serbia-that would be enough....(what should be used to protect Serbia's land from illegal secession-maybe Romania as a base??!! Give me a break)
800.000 refuges?! Yeah right.....as same as 20.000 in Srebrenica, and 80.000 "rapped" in BiH!? And 300.000 killed in BiH civil war!?? (according to the Hague investigation team the number of victims in BiH is 105.000 in total (which means altogether on all three sides-arround 30% Serbs)....
800.000?!...what should I say to you now? Following forensic team logic.....Were you there?? Did you count them?? Where are your proves...? Do you know real reasons why many of Albanians moved from the area?? (and the real number is a "little" bit less then that your lousy try...)
If I am full of shit you are my idol!
BTW-there is no such a thing as BOSNIAN Serb!! Bosnia is a river-the state is Bosnia and Herzegovina!
The inconvenient facts and unanswered questions surrounding the attacks are legion, but the endemic sloppiness of the self-styled "researchers" is delegitimizing the entire project of critiquing the "official version." The ostentatiously named "Truth movement" is not clearing the air, but muddying the water.
WW4 Report pamphlets
WAR AT THE CROSSROADS
An Historical Guide Through the Balkan Labyrinth
The Balkan region is intensely multicultural—a point of crossroads and clash for some of the world's major religions, cultural spheres, and economic systems. While there have been vicious wars in Balkan history, these have taken place in the context of manipulation by imperial powers—from the Roman empire to NATO.
WW4 Report pamphlets
TOMPKINS SQUARE PARK:
LEGACY OF REBELLION
A Century and a Half of Protest & Resistance on New York's Lower East Side
A concise chronicle of the Tompkins Square riots of 1857, 1863 (Civil War draft riots), 1874, 1877 (national railroad strike), 1967 (hippies fight back) and 1988 (anarchists versus police state)—and how the battles over one small park in lower Manhattan have been a microcosm of the class and social struggles that have shaped America and the world.
Pro-Muslim propaganda is tiresome as well
Excellent! We came on a referendum issue!! The famous referundum is the corner stone of the civil war in ex/Yugoslav Republic BiH!
I hope you are familiar with LEGAL ways of how to conduct a referendum...I believe you have general picture of it...Basically, referendum has to be organized and conducted by authorities of some land, region, country, or whatever, correct me if I'm wrong....But before "conducting referendum" there has to be some kind of decision of "organizing of referendum"...(that depends on situation,though, but ex-Yugoslavia, we can say, was organized in a legal manner-so were its republics...)
Now we are getting to the referendum issue...
Shortly..
To organize a referendum in Socialistic Republic BiH (SRBiH) there had to be the Republic Assembly decision on that!
In the SRBiH there were 3 so called Constitutional Peoples (Croats, Muslims and Serbs) and according to the SRBiH CONSTITUTION all "major" decisions had to be reached by CONSENSUS of three peoples!
That famous assembly session was held on 14th Oct 1991. It was long and tiring session full of political games and arguing-which is pretty normal considering the fact the situation we were going through!
Basically-the President of the Assembly closed session and scheduled the continuation for some other day...It was, if I remember well, after midnight..So, session was closed and according to the Constitution nobody can replace the President without his permission and nobody can continue the session without him (if he is alive and in good health)...But, basically, Muslim and Croat representatives after the session was closed grouped and "continued" the session (which was against the Constitution) and the wisepresident of the Assembly chaired (which was against the Constitution cause he didn't have a legal permission from the President) illegal session and basically, that group of people illegaly decided to organize illegal Referendum (which was against the Constitution, cause the decision was not reached by consensus of ALL THREE PEOPLES! )
So, that referendum you mentioning is nothing but an illegal act of group of people! (for instance YOU could have sat there and raise a hand in favor of referendum-and to push this region in to the devastating civil war!) It was nothing but a violation of the Constitution!! That's it!!
That act represents nothing but an act of ILLEGAL SECESSION which, eventually, turned into the VIOLENT SECESSION!!
And who ever went to that illegal secessionistic referendum violated the CONSTITUTION!!
That is what the law says about that!! Wishes are something else-I can understand some people were not happy in SFRY, but anyway-they HAD TO FOLLOW THE LAW AND CONSTITUTION! Am I right? You believe in laws? And you follow them, I'm positive....
That's the very short story about that referendum you think was the start!
But the corner stone of the war was this session!!
Huh, 8.000 again "exaggerated"?! But, I'm saying misinterpreted for more war..there is 8.000 dead people in Srebrenica-that's the fact!
I was not in that forensic group...Were you? Did they prove how ALL of them were murdered?? Did they? Where are your proves that half of poor people were not trying to fight their way out of surrounded area with weapons ?
Oh, gee..Sarajevo people should be angry with Serbs and it is justified to "cleans" them out?!
But, regarding the referendum story above you would agree that Serbs should be angry with people who STOLE and VIOLATED their constitutional right and decided on behalf of Serbs where Serbs should and were supposed to live and along the way they destroyed the country where Serbs lived in?! Not to mention UN guaranteed self-determination right ..(BTW, have you ever heard of referendum of Serbs in SRBiH in 1991.?!! )
THere was no need for Milosevic to use Serbia as a "base" for war in SRBiH-it's just another nonsense...
Kosovo....as you said Kosovo is in Serbia-that would be enough....(what should be used to protect Serbia's land from illegal secession-maybe Romania as a base??!! Give me a break)
800.000 refuges?! Yeah right.....as same as 20.000 in Srebrenica, and 80.000 "rapped" in BiH!? And 300.000 killed in BiH civil war!?? (according to the Hague investigation team the number of victims in BiH is 105.000 in total (which means altogether on all three sides-arround 30% Serbs)....
800.000?!...what should I say to you now? Following forensic team logic.....Were you there?? Did you count them?? Where are your proves...? Do you know real reasons why many of Albanians moved from the area?? (and the real number is a "little" bit less then that your lousy try...)
If I am full of shit you are my idol!
BTW-there is no such a thing as BOSNIAN Serb!! Bosnia is a river-the state is Bosnia and Herzegovina!